
Good thought provoking post by Chris Hambly on the problems of ganging together:
never before have we been able to seek out such vast extremes of ideology in one place. On the Internet there are no mechanical forces preventing us to segregate, we have no house to sell, we are free to indulge in our extremism…
This is an interesting choice of subject and one that’s obviously of equal importance to all the good stuff that we achieve by coming together. And yet the focus tends to favour the latter. Personally I prefer to talk up the better aspects of the world I work in than acknowledge some of the crap that goes on out there, but I’m beginning to think that this is naive at best and foolhardy at worst. I’d rather know about the negative and meet it head on than hope it will fade away only to come back and bite me later on.
Cyber bullying and stalking are probably the most obvious detrimental uses of new media, but just recently I’ve seen seem some really dark rallying of people and technology. That’s something I’m still deciding how to handle.
I haven’t spoke to Chris in detail about any of this, but via Twitter he did mention the importance of a Network of Networks. I’d like to think the setting up of this kind of event, one where many disparate groups come together in real life will lead to more walls tumbling down and more common ground discovered.
Or maybe just a badly choreographed Sharks vs Jets face off ala West Side Story Anchorman.
I’m still insanely optimistic in what can be achieved with Social Media and believe there are no limits to what we can accomplish on the Internet, but it’s important to recognise that for every feel good story contained in Here Comes Everybody there is probably something a little darker brewing on /b.
Also a lot of walled communities come into being through a kind of accidental evolution - often these walls are built as a byproduct of the group’s activity rather than with the purpose of directly keeping others out. I’ve personally been involved in groups in the past that grew at such a pace that it sometimes took a good hard look from the outside to see how quickly we’d fallen into cliques, inclusive language and preferential skill sets. All barriers to healthy growth.
This is exactly why I always try and follow as many people as possible on Twitter who live and work well outside of where I am, both geographically and career wise. I tend to learn a lot more from the people forging ahead outside my comfort zone.
Now I can’t foresee any of the networks so far mentioned on this blog in danger of going feral (unless the coffee runs out at Tuttle again) or being even slightly rude to outsiders, but I do stand by the idea that more integration across the boards is a good thing.
This very evening I’m looking forward to the Moo bash because it’s going to do (I hope) exactly what we’re hoping to achieve with a Network of Networks event later in the year. People from all over coming together through one common factor - in this case the oddly shaped business cards we’ve all taken to our social object orientated hearts. It will be interesting to see how many people mingle away from the groups they already know. Do come and say hello if you spot me. I’ll be the one trying to make new friends without resorting to a Daniel Day Lewis impression (or a single Moo card - I just ran out, doh!).
Chris also raises the issue of:
a serious lacking in critical skills within social media, a fundamental flaw in the system, cult-like blind faith is fucking dangerous, and there will be ferocious venomous spitting when opposing extremes come together
You only have to dip into Twitter during a Steve Jobs key note to see blind faith in action. Cory Doctorow just reviewed a book that I subsequently ordered myself that seems to address some of these issues. It’ll be interesting to see if a more inward focused criticism picks up any traction once we’ve finished having a pop at the easier targets of old media and PR while slapping each other on the back for being ‘rockstars’.
Chris also seems to have a post on bridges planned so do keep an eye out for that one too.
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8 Responses
Darika
24|Jul|2008 1Yay! Pleased to see this blog up and running. I think the concept of coming together as a network of networks is going to be a useful one - even if we’re not exactly sure yet how it will look.
admin
24|Jul|2008 2I got bogged down elsewhere as usual, but we’re finally up and running.
Just need to get more people involved then it’s not just me piloting the blog Lots of real life conversation already… just need to get some of that archived here.
Oh and look - you’re FIRST!
Terence Eden
24|Jul|2008 3The problem is people going in self selecting feedback loops. AKA circle-jerks.
In the good-old-days, if you were a racist you’d have to contend with the fact that only you and one or two mates thought the same way about foreigners. The weight of the rest of society would probably restrict your “thoughts” on the subject.
Now, you can go and join the BNP’s network and wallow in the filth of what seems like the majority of society. You believe everyone thinks the same way as you.
If you’ve got a socially unacceptable sexual fetish - you can indulge yourself online with a society of Elf-Porn lovers. This can sate your desire or lead you to believe that women really only get turned on by men who mutilate their ears.
What’s needed in all societies is an *external* voice. Your friends and peers and *their* friends and peers can give feedback to disrupt “unhealthy” patterns of behaviour.
But, as with Apple fan-bois, dissenters in any society tend to be rejected fairly swiftly. They either get ejected or leave of their own accord.
admin
24|Jul|2008 4Oops - just noticed I’m ‘Admin’ everywhere. Will fix that in a min. This is Sizemore by the way.
Terence - Earlier in the year I was feeling more confident with the way all this was going thanks to platforms like Seesmic. Much harder to be a dick if you’re on video. Or so I thought.
The darker side of anything is always going to be present. Right now the easiest way to deal with it is to route around. Works fine in the short term, but I’d like to investigate ways to pull that stuff into the light without a)raising its profile and b) starting flame wars or worse.
Tricky subject. Many thanks to Chris for kicking it around some
Nicholas Butler
24|Jul|2008 5Hey Mike, great to see its coming up and together. Societys always seem to break up into gangs, groups, heirachies. If it wasnt Jews and Eygptians it was Judges over 10s and over 100s. it was Mafias and Freemasons and LARPers and WoWers.
In the real world so in the virtual. That social networks make it easier I think is debatable. I can still be a mason or a hooligan or a LUGer.
Also Since your out of Moo cards. im adding a blank label to one of mine and donating it to you !
Sizemore
24|Jul|2008 6Hey Nik,
Cheers for that.
Yeah but wouldn’t it great if the Egyptians had put the blueprints to the pyramids on the table with a CC license and then Charlton Heston had said “Lemme show you this thing I’ve been working on with parting the Red Sea…”
AKA
24|Jul|2008 7Interesting stuff. I frequently think about the way cliques develop around networks (through no fault of the members of such cliques - it’s just human nature to gravitate to those you know over those you don’t). Not only that, but online social networks have a tendency towards becoming about themselves and endlessly self-referential, which becomes a barrier to entry or inclusivity. After all, how many Twitter posts are about Twitter itself?
I’ll be at the MOO party tonight and, with one or two exceptions, won’t know anybody there in meatspace, so I’m interested to see how the evening plays out. Look forward to meeting you later.
Sizemore
24|Jul|2008 8“How many Twitter posts are about Twitter itself?”
Too many Although that would be fixed if Twitter was ever stable. Then we could complain about Microsoft like we used to do in the old days.
Looking forward to meeting you
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